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PostPosted: 1/6/12 Friday, 12:04 pm 
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Hello and welcome natural_girl99,

I read carefully what u wrote and i admit i had no idea about some of the stuff that u talk about. But i do not understand what do you mean when you say "works for me best". By "works" what exactly do you mean? Did you actually get rid of any lipomas? Was there any change in their appearance or feel? If so, by all means share it with us!



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Thanks for the reply NaturalGirl but I thought you might want to know that cysts are filled with fluid while lipomas are not. If what you have are cysts than your condition is different than the rest of us. Best of luck to you!


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This site is really interesting - knowthecause.com

Doug Kaufmann a famous Nutritionist is the host for the show which airs on Direct and DIsh Tv. Enough introduction I guess. Don't want to sound like a sales guy.

Any way, as matt points many times about bacteria or virus a possible reason for Lipomas, I read an article at http://www.livestrong.com/article/45923 ... -the-body/ It talks about Phase 1 diet which is strongly recommended by Doug Kaufmann.

I started looking at his videos since yesterday, I will do some research and see if has any solution for lipomas. He recommends Beta Glucans big time.


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http://www.livestrong.com/article/39872 ... -one-diet/

I strongly recommend to visit his site and view some shows, it is really informative. I wish he does a show on Lipomas.

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This site is really interesting - knowthecause.com

Doug Kaufmann a famous Nutritionist is the host for the show which airs on Direct and DIsh Tv. Enough introduction I guess. Don't want to sound like a sales guy.

Any way, as matt points many times about bacteria or virus a possible reason for Lipomas, I read an article at http://www.livestrong.com/article/45923 ... -the-body/ It talks about Phase 1 diet which is strongly recommended by Doug Kaufmann.

I started looking at his videos since yesterday, I will do some research and see if has any solution for lipomas. He recommends Beta Glucans big time.


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PostPosted: 1/13/12 Friday, 6:43 pm 
Hello Matt and everyone. I am new here and very glad to have found this board. I developed my first lipoma at age 15. By age 19 I had that removed from my stomach. I have gained weight and lost it twice and can say the lipomas increase in size and number with my weight. I have a great deal of them still and I am only 185lbs presently. I also have some kind of autoimmune disorder that is affecting multiple joints. I have a great deal of fatigue as well. I had a poor diet and lifestyle for many years. Several others in my family also have lipomas, but not as many as me. I have now had lipomas for 35 years, and believe(for me) they could be a manifestation of lyme disease... I was bitten many, many times as a kid. I speculate my body is "walling off" the invaders so to speak. I would like to hear from anyone who has had a lipoma examined under microscope looking for lyme spirochetes or other forms of the organism,or any organisms. This is enough for my first post....once again, glad to find this board! :D jims


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Someone posted this at LipomaSupport@yahoogroups.com and i think it fits the topic here. It adds to the big picture and raises some questions.

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A few weeks ago I was a patient in the hospital for congestive heart failure. About 2 weeks later I woke up in the morning to find my arms covered in small lumps on both forearms. Since then, approximately 6 weeks they have spread and some are getting very large. I even have them on my face! I have seen 5 doctors who have said they are lipomas anot to worry". The other day I saw a Dermatologisst who said they were indeed lipomas and there was no cure. He wants to remove the ones on my face. He gave me 2 creams to try. One is Clobetasol Propionate .05% and Triamcinolone .1%. Has anyone tried these before? If so, what were your results? Sometimes the large ones itch. No family history. Anyone have so many? ANY help or info would be appreciated. If it makes any difference, I am a 57-year-old female who was recently diagnosed with Pulmonary Hypertension. I am also a Diabetic. Thanks for reading this.


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Quite interesting how fast she claims to have developed her lipomas. If she hadn't visited so many different specialists I would have probably said those were not lipomas.

I wonder why the doctor prescribed Clobetasol Propionate and Triamcinolone (both are corticosteroids)? What was the science or conclusion behind this decision?

Corticosteroids are drugs that can reduce the inflammation caused by infection. They are also used to treat some bacterial infections like bacterial meningtis.

It would be interesting to know whether she found any of it beneficial.

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PostPosted: 1/18/12 Wednesday, 3:35 am 
Hello Matt and all,When I was heavy, (say 325), i knew my lipomas were larger, but they were not as noticeable. Now that I am slimmer again they are very noticeable. The majority are on my stomach and the upper parts of my legs. With a couple on my back. I have way too many to count... My chiropractor said adipose fat tissue secretes substances that causes pain. I have read and listened to Dr. Herbst, she e-mailed me and recommended Dr. Rebecca Campen in Savannah, Ga. closer to my location here on the east coast. I am reading everything I can get my hands on right now, as I think this plays a role in my overall swelling. I read anecdotal accounts of people being bitten by ticks then rapidly developing lipomas. I used to be a very heavy beer drinker. That has screeched to a halt the last few years. There are tons of claims on the internet both shrinking and curing these things...


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PostPosted: 1/18/12 Wednesday, 9:04 am 
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Hi juggernaught!

Dr. Herbst is one of most knowlidgeble doctors there are when it comes to lipoma related diseases. I would appreciate if you could share anything new which we perhaps haven't heard yet.

At least your comment about ticks was news to me. Do you happen to have references to any posts or articles where they mention the anecdotal connection? I would be interested in reading those.

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PostPosted: 1/19/12 Thursday, 4:17 am 
Hi Matt and all... Thanks Matt for your reply. Right now I don t have any links for evidence of the connections of lyme and lipomas. All I did was search those words and let the search take me where it would.( I do that allot) Several instances of lyme and multiple lipomas, hard and soft, like I have. One person if i recall said she took clindamycin for the hard nodules and noni juice with grape seed extract for the soft ones, with some success, after several washouts she felt the noni/grape seed combo keep the soft ones at bay as long as they were being taken.(medjunction?) Wish I could remember where i read that but its been awhile. If I recall grape seed extract was a recommendation of Dr. Herbst at one time. The e-mail I got from Dr. Herbst just said " Rebecca Campen", as I asked her to recommend a Dr. closer to me. I was amazed and pleased that she took time to reply. Seems that since Dr. Herbst is an Endocriniologist she would be well qualified to examine any connections between hormones and lipomas as well. has anyone tried Noni/grape seed extract combo? Matt sorry I don t have any concrete information, its not on purpose, many times while I search these days I seem to be on auto pilot! Don t seem to be able to remember things sometimes... jugg


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Haha, no problem at all! I know the "autopilot" feeling myself too :)

Post them if you come across them again, thanks!

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PostPosted: 1/20/12 Friday, 8:53 pm 
hello Matt and everyone, just a few thoughts. I remember reading a couple of years ago on Dr. Herbsts old site she used minocycline as a treatment. Now I think she uses Doxycycline, I read several folks who claimed the lumps didn't get larger while on doxy. I took Minocycline for about a year and a half as a Rheumatoid arthritis treatment. Now I am questioning maybe I should restart but with Doxycycline, it seems all these lumps may be producing bacteria. Also interesting to me is Doxycycline is widely used as a long term lyme treatment... Has anyone here done a phone consult with Dr. Herbst? Thanks for any insights, jugg


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A bit of topic but one of Dr Herbst's recommendation is here treatments-cures-f3/pine-bark-extract-grape-seed-extract-t65.html


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There is definitely some metabolism malfunction going on with the healing process. I once followed a site on my thigh where I had a trauma and hematoma. It took about two weeks when I started to feel a hardening on the site. Now there's small lipoma at that spot.

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Your link didn't really provide anything useful, so it was removed. Please post only quality links.


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Yeah it seems many people get that trauma - inflammation - lipoma. But i am definetely not one of them. About 4 months ago i fell off my bike and had 6-7 enormous bruises on my legs torso etc. None of them resolved into a lipoma. At least not yet.


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PostPosted: 1/30/12 Monday, 2:14 pm 
Just a quick search on the net:

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/fibrom ... nd-lipomas

"My fibro turned out to be Lyme disease, a bacterial infection. I am currently on antibiotics and the fibro pain is at zero. See my extensive post in the Fibro support group about my fibro turning out to be Lyme.


Then a couple years ago, maybe about two years before I discovered I had Lyme disease, I started developing lipomas, which are fatty tissue tumors. I ended up in the dercums site, which is multiple lumps. There I learned from Dr Karen Herbst, endocrinologist at the San Diego VA Hospital, to try noni juice and grapeseed extract capsules. I felt I had nothing to lose at that point, so started taking a little of both every day. Within a month, the lipomas were shrinking. And this was after I had tried surgery for one and it just kept growing. Both these remedies are anti-inflammatory antioxidants. Lyme is an inflammatory disease. So that's what I'm actually treating. It's all very interesting.


I am open to discussion. - Robin"


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Thanks Danny1, some good info there!

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Borrelia Bacteria

It was news to me that one can develop lipomas in Lyme disease (borreliosis). But just how well that fits in to the big picture! Lyme disease is caused by Borrelia bacteria and is usually a tick-borne disease. It appears usually in the Northern Hemisphere.

The poster suggested Grape Seed Extract for lipomas, and we have shortly discussed about it already but maybe we should do some more research and testing?

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PostPosted: 2/3/12 Friday, 1:22 pm 
Dear all,
Darryl said in one of his posts that our bodies have some sort of dysfunction...
We will see what sort of data he has up his sleeve:-)
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I have visited Maureen's old Dercum's site many times before but for some reason I hadn't noticed this page earlier:

http://dercums_data.tripod.com/infection.html

In it Maureen proposes somekind of a parasitic infection as a cause for Dercum's. There are some interesting articles linked to the page - all that were new to me.

The first link explores how several parasites that can cause a lesion similar to lipoma, fibroma or sebaceous cyst. Interesting that a parasite could cause similar lumps!

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The sparganum of S. proliferum is pleomorphic, with irregular branches and proliferative buds that detach from the larva and migrate to different tissues in the host, where they repeat the process and invade other organs. The life cycle of S. proliferum is not known.


The second link tells that it is sometimes difficult to separate tapeworm induced cyst in soft tissue from a lipoma:

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Cyst in soft tissues may be misinterpreted as common surgical diseases (lipoma, fibroma) as it happens in the ossifluent could abscesses derived from Echinococcosis of osseous structures mimicking slow growing soft masses containing hydatid cysts.


There's a special disease called hydatid disease or echinococcal disease which is a parasitic disease. In this disease it's quite common that the patient develops multiple cysts. The current treatment includes surgery and chemo.

Remember also that warts are caused by a microbe - the human papilloma virus to be precise. Warts are also tumors, just not under the skin.

The third link about Deer Lipomatosis points to nowhere unfortunally, but I was able to find it:

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Abdominal fat necrosis or abdominal lipomatosis, described by Bacon and coworkers,1 is a disease caused by ingestion of a tall fescue forage infected with the endophytic fungus Epichloe typhina.


Say what? Fungus caused lipomatosis to a deer. Can you state it any clearer than that?

The study even describes the lipomatous growths:

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At exploratory laparotomy, large firm white masses were adhered to most of the abdominal organs. The most important necropsy finding included an intensely bright yellow carcass fat and scattered, irregular, abdominal masses of very hard fat. The masses were a deep yellow color with chalky white and orange foci. The diameters of masses varied from 1 to 30 cm.


Sounds familiar enough for me. :?

So would be too far-fetched that if our body surrounds parasites with lumps and lipomatous tissue in these diseases, it would do the same in lipoma related diseases?

I have a gut feeling that all these diseases have a common base: Familial Multiple Lipomatosis, Madelung disease and Dercum's - and most likely other similar conditions too. The causative factor could be somekind of pleomorphic bacteria. Read the link to fully understand "pleomorphic bacteria"!

BTW an interesting point which popped up from the last study was the fact they knew what some of the deers had been eating because they lived in a zoo:

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The diet consisted of forage (Panicum spp. , Pennisetum sp. , Cynodon sp.); carrots, cabbage, and other assorted vegetables; papaya; banana; equine extruded ration; pumpkin; and oats with peel.


The researchers concluded the consumption of the fungus in the grass was the main cause of dead but they wanted point out factors such as genetic predisposition, obesity, and sex to be likely contributing factors.

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Excellent find matt. But the link from the Deer study is missing! Can you repost please?


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