I found this video from youtube:



A doctor is injecting Lipodissolve (same thing as Lipostabil) into a guy's lipomas. Unfortunally the video does not tell what happened to the lipomas. It is known that Lipodissolve and it's ingredients phosphatidylcholine and deoxycholate are capable of dissolving fat cells.

I had this done to around 10 of my lipomas at three separate times. The doc said I should wait around 8 weeks after each injection round. I had no anesthesia but the injections were not too bad.

Afterwards the injection sites started to burn but it went away after some hours. Then I had hematomas at the site for about a week. Some side effects that may occur from LipoDissolve procedures are swelling, bruising of the skin and aching. Three to four days is a common recovery time. First my lipomas went rock hard and then they got slowly softer.

Eventually some of my lipomas did shrink some but none disappeared. My lipomas stopped hurting and itching for a long time but started to do so again in the end. I have since been able to quit the pain and itching by eating apricot seeds.

Now afterwards I think my doc injected too little at a time, The doc in the video has a huge syringe and needle! I see he is really putting that stuff in.

I have also since my injections learned that only deoxycholite (ATX-101) should be injected since it's more powerful alone.

One round of shots cost me around € 300. LipoDissolve can range from $375-$1500 for a single treatment. The number of treatments needed will vary from person to person. I have not thought about taking the shots again for now but I read that it might be more beneficial for women for some reason? Men rarely are as prone to it.

All in all, these kinds of injections are only treatments. They can make lipomas appear smaller but will not stop them.

Has anyone else tried Lipodissolve?

No, I did not try it. I think there is no better solution than surgery. But please find me a good Surgeon who will make less scar.

Hi unfortunally I know no such doctor but I have heard about surgery techniques superior to older methods. One of them being laser lipolysis. These novel methods tend to be rarely available and usually are not covered by insurance. Which is BS. We should get the best possible treatment available.

To anyone nearby Chicago there's a doctor called Toni Bark who prefers injection over surgery. Would be interesting to hear more of her opinions:

For the soft fatty lipomas, I use phosphatidyll choline and deoxycholate, for the harder ones, I use collagenase. Both substances are naturally occurring in the human body and therefore do not require allergy testing prior to treatment.

For many of my patients with this problem, I recommend having them come in as medical patients and investigating as to why they are making these benign tumors. Often we can treat the cause and stop the growth of new ones.

New study Treatment of Lipoma by Injection Lipolysis published this year by some Indian doctor.

The patient was not open to any surgical intervention and was given the option of injection lipolysis. After discussing the possible side effects like hyperpigmentation, skin loss, prolonged pain, swelling, or tenderness, late onset hives or itching and skin contour irregularities in detail, an informed written consent for three sessions at 6-8 weeks gap was taken.

But the article says that only one session was needed for this outcome! I'm not sure of how much they injected phosphatidyl choline/ sodium deoxycholate (PDC/DC) solution but I think it was a lot more than I received to my multiple lipomas.

There are also some nice photos:



Grid drawn around the lipoma in the wrist


After injection swelling and redness appears


9 months after the injections the lipoma is almost gone


Dermastabilion (pdf) is available as a 5 ml ampule costing Rs. 500 (equal to €7 or $10). It can be used for treating multiple lipomas at the same time. Hence, it would turn out to be a very cost-effective treatment modality.

Would be nice to print this out and give to some friendly doctor...

It has now been discovered for the first time that recurrent growth can happen after previous successful Lipodissolve injection therapy for lipomas. In the study researchers noticed that lipomas treated with injections first shrank but did not completely disappear.

After seven months the patient noticed re-growth of some lipomas and after twelve months all injected lipomas had grown.

The good news is that lipomas shrank again after new lipodissolve injections.

Content

A patient presented with recurrent growth lipomas that were previously successfully treated using polyenylphosphatidylcholine and deoxycholate.

Material and Methods

A 33-year-old male Caucasian presented with familial multiple lipomatosis. The patient reported multiple previous surgical extirpations of lipomas. Multiple subcutaneous nodules of 0.5-4.5 cm in diameter were present, mainly located on the upper and lower extremities. Ten lipomas were treated with 0.5-0.9 ml Lipostabil i.v., depending on the size of the lipomas. Four injections were given at intervals of 6 weeks.

Results

All lipomas showed a clinically visible reduction in size and a shrinking down to skin level. However, none of the lipomas were completely eliminated. Twelve months after the last injection the patient reported re-growth of all lipomas, starting 7 months after the last injection. The authors initiated a further treatment sequence with Lipostabil and again successfully reduced the size of each lipoma.

Comment

It is the first published lipoma study with long-term follow-up, showing re-growth of the lipomas after about 7 months after treatment. After a questionnaire amongst NETWORK members we can state, that there exists only 1 more case where a re-growth of a lipoma has been observed after 4 years. Alle other treated lipomas did not grow again.

This goes to show that phosphatidylcholine and deoxycholate are at best just treatment options which may require one to take shots for the rest of his/her life.

I personally haven't really noticed much re-growth in my injected lipomas but they sure haven't gotten any smaller after the initial shinkage. They do mention that other NETWORK members haven't noticed re-growth in the following 4 years. I think I belong into the latter group.

PS. This is also an interesting read about Lipodissolve disappearing from the markets. It mentions Kythera Pharmaceuticals has patented a substance called deoxycholic acid which was the active ingredient in Lipodissolve.

PPS. And you want to know why I think deoxycholic acid shrinks lipomas? Because deoxycholic acid is antibacterial. Click here for more specific analysis of how bacteria causes lipomas.

Hey Matt, it's funny that you should bring up the bacterial possibility. I have struggled with a sinus infection for years and I've had many surgeries and taken countless antibiotics. The antibiotics have ended up causing more harm than good. They have lowered my natural defenses and I have gotten fungal folliculitus and I had a couple of lipomas before, but nothing like I do now. I have read other people's posts in which they described similar antibiotic use or trouble with yeast overgrowth and other infections. I think it would be very interesting to get some sort of a poll thread going to see how many of this boards lipoma sufferers have had a history of fungal/bacterial infections or strong antibiotic use.

It would be great to determine whether these treated lipomas were encapsulated or not. Keep in mind please that encapsulation is the most important factor you have to mention when describing a sucessfull lipoma treatment, especially using injections.

Moved this post here and answered the questions below.

Hi all.

I wanted to ask you some questions and thoughts on the LIPOSTABIL.

Soon begin to inject Lipostabil in my lipomas. I'll buy it soon, but here in Spain (where I live) do not sell. I'm trying to get as much information as possible about the product. I know there is not much on the use of lipomas. I have read a lot about the product, but especially for application to remove localized fat, and not to remove lipomas.

I discovered this product a month ago, watching youtube. I also found your forum, which is great.

I read a lot of forums on lipomas, and as I said before, for me, this is the best. I have read and read forums all countries. But maybe that's why I have not had time to find information here. I have not found any post about Lipostabil, although I have searched for only a little. So I open this post.

My questions and thoughts are:

1 - What is the dose to be administered by each lipoma?

This varies by the doctor but it is a substancial amount. A lot more than you would expect. See the video in the first post - the doc is really injecting the stuff.

2 - Why only reduces lipomas up to 50%? . If the lipoma is all a mass of fatty tumor, should always work. I understand that when it is only the fibrous capsule, do nothing the Lipostabil. But I do not understand that work well at first and then stop, when the matter is the same (fatty tumor)

I believe the whole lipoma would be eliminated if enough time and injections are given. It could be that the lipoma somehow becomes "immune" to the shots. You are right that the fibrous tissue might not be affected by Lipostabil.

3 - If you inject it to a very small lipoma, and continued using it, could we prevent the growth?. And always leave the lipoma to a minimum?. That is, try to block the lipoma from the unseen, since only appreciated by touch.

Yes, few of my lipomas stopped the growth and have never grown since. I had injections around 4 years ago. But I know that some lipomas start to grow after Lipostabil is stopped. So one would need continuous shots of Lipostabil to keep lipomas small...

4 - The Lipostabil works best on small or large lipomas?

It depends. Larger lipomas usually shrink more initially so the percentage is higher. I believe it works pretty well if the tumor is smaller than an apple.

5 - How many times is necessary to repeat the session to get results (I read it 6 times)?

I had 3 rounds. None disappeared. Some shrank considerably, like 50 %. Some have since regrown, some have stayed the same. I would have wanted more shots but it's very difficult to find a doctor to do it as well as expensive. It cost me 300 euros per session.

Some lipomas respond better than others. I believe the optimum would be 3-6 sessions to shrink the lipomas and then one would need to have maintenance shots.

6 - After 6 sessions, you already have no effect?

Most will detect a change (shrinkage) after 3 sessions.

7 - If the lipoma is medium, is there to do only one injection per session, or does it divide the dose into several punctures?

I had only one shot per lipoma per session but I personally don't see any reason why not have multiple shots per lipoma per session.

8 - How often can repeat the session of injections?

My doc told me 6-8 weeks since the Lipostabil hangs around and lipolysis the fat cells during that period.

Thank you all, and sorry for the poor translation

Thanks for your questions.

BTW Lipostabil is not as good as deoxycholate alone and the second ingredient in it (phophatdycholine) might actually prevent lipoma lipolysis (read more in previous posts).

Many thanks for your answers.

They have been helpful.

Every time I have more desire to use Lipostabil. If I can stop from the beginning, the birth of lipomas, it would be fantastic.

If lipomas are reduced, and I decide to go back to get a surgery, the scars will be smaller.

And if I use any other treatment such as beta glucan with hydrogen peroxide, I guess it will be more effective on an already reduced lipoma. I think it's good to combine all treatments.

Thanks again, and congratulations on this wonderful website.

Hi all

I would like to ask anyone, or you, Matt, if you think you can manage yourself the Lipostabil. I was thinking of doing in my house. Inject the Lipostabil with the help of a friend of mine. Because, you said to me in clinics is very expensive.

I know that in a forum like this, maybe you should not encourage others to do what you yourself. Perhaps it is not ethical, but it does not seem very difficult to inject. In the youtube video seemed easy. I have a friend nurse, and I think he could do.

or would you recommend going to a clinic. Here in Spain I can get the product in pharmacies in Andorra (a small neighboring country), at a price of € 79.95 (99.0338 USD), do you think is a good price?, Is a box with 10 vials of 5 ml each a.

thanks

Hi Andres!

If I knew someone who could inject it (had some medical experience) and it was possible for me to buy Lipostabil, yes I would go ahead. I would even ask the injecting person to teach me how to do it by myself since it is not so difficult.

Of course we have to remember that Lipostabil works mainly for rather small lipomas (10 cm and smaller), injecting diffuse lipomas or those that lie deeper may be difficult and it might take multiple shots (upto 5-10) to have desirable effects.

Lipostabil is effective for around 8 weeks so you shouldn't inject more often.

So the short answer is yes, I think you could manage lipomas with Lipostabil They will not necessarily disappear but most likely will get smaller.

You can get Lipostabil in Andorra and anyone can buy it? Usually only doctors can buy it... I think the price you mentioned is very reasonable, 10 x 5 ml is enough to inject dozens of small half grape sized lipomas.

Oh, one more thing just to be on the safe side I would start injecting only a couple or perhaps three lipomas first and see how it goes with them.

Hi Matt!

Thanks for your fast answers.
I already buy the Lipostabil. I bought in a pharmacy in Andorra without problems. It really is not Lipostabil is Mesostabyl. But I think they have the same active ingredient (phosphatidylcholine).

The product comes in a week. I'll tell you.

It also had information on my forum about it. On its use, dosage, regrowth ...

I found at:

http://www.network-lipolysis.com/index. ... ninews_pi1 [showUid] = 1752 & cHash = a11439271f


Publications 2 - Ruhr University Bochum - Lipoma
Recurrent growth of lipomas after Treatment with previous ... more phosphatidylcholine and deoxycholate

Abstract

Title: Recurrent growth of lipomas after Treatment with phosphatidylcholine previous and deoxycholate.

Authors: Pindur L, Sand M, Altmeyer P, Bechara FG, Bochum / Germany

Journal: J. Cosmet. Laser Ther. 2011 13: 95-96

Content
A patient with recurrent growth Presented lipomas That Were Previously Treated successfully using polyenylphosphatidylcholine and deoxycholate.

Material and Methods

A 33-year-old Caucasian male with familial multiple lipomatosis Presented. The patient Reported surgical extirpations of previous multiple lipomas. Multiple subcutaneous nodules of 0.5-4.5 cm in diameter Were present, located on the upper Mainly lower extremities and. Ten Were Treated with lipomas from 0.5 to 0.9 ml Lipostabil iv Depending on the size of the lipomas. Four injections Were Given at Intervals of 6 weeks.

Results

All lipomas Showed Clinically visible to Reduction in size and a shrinking down to skin level. However, none of the lipomas Were Completely Eliminated. Twelve months after the last injection the patient re-growth of Reported all lipomas, starting 7 months after the last injection. The authors Initiated to weitere Lipostabil Treatment sequence and again successfully with the size of Each Reduced lipoma.

Comment

It is the first published study with long-lipoma term follow-up, showing re-growth of the lipomas after about 7 months after steam treatment. After a questionnaire Amongst NETWORK members we can state, That there exists only 1 more case WHERE re-growth of a lipoma Has Been Observed after 4 years. Alle other lipomas did not grow Treated again.


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Hello Matt,
we should not support medical treatment and products, which are mostly forbitten.

Re.

Klaus

Hi Matt

I see andres is alson writing in your forum. I have banned him from my forum, because it is a illegal product, manufactured in Germany and assest for a special treatment. It is very dangerous and we had a case in which a woman died.

Re. Klaus

Klaus, I'm sorry to hear that but as always any drug can have side effects. Should we ban all drugs that may cause death? In that case there would be hundreds or even thousands of drugs which should be illegal.

I have personally tested Lipostabil multiple times and with a professional I see absolutely no danger in using Lipostabil, regardless of the bannings.

Hi Matt!

Thanks for your reply.
I write in all forums. I try to participate and help. I have no interest in selling anything, nothing on advertising.

Mr. Klaus has deleted my posts in his forums. I do not understand. The message on the Lipostabil was similar to that I put here in this forum, Just asking for information about it.
I've always been very polite and humble. I understand that in Germany the product is prohibited, but I did not know. I only asked for information. I have recorded all his messages to prove it.

In addition it has also erased the information on laser assisted liposuction. I put it here also. Just to let everyone know and broaden information. And if these treatments work then great, if not work, then keep looking. Maybe they are not perfect. But they can help.

I understand that Mr. Klaus delete the message about the Lipostabil, but the other one is not a drug treatment. It does not hurt anyone. It helps reduce the size much.

I do not understand. I have spent years following Mr. Klaus in all types of forums. And always he is the only person who is negative. I do not know why he forbids information to their followers.

I respect him because he knows a lot. And he works much in the subject. I do not share his forms, and his ways.

In another Spanish forum, years ago, he was defending the thai balm hard. He was a big supporter of the balm. And now he is the biggest opponent. He also fought with several people. And he was always threatening to leave the forum. I have all recorded messages.

I also followed his speech at the discussion about the birth of Pomaway, and I followed the discussion with you about lipoma and lipoma-tumor.

I think he fails the speech. Has little courtesy and diplomacy.

I am sorry that he has deleted my posts in his forum. The more people together we are, the better. We need unity and the maximum information.

I have all recorded their forum messages. If I show you, you will see that I have been very polite, diplomatic, polite ...
I do not understand his answer.

I do not want a dissension, but it hurts me, that he attacks me, both in his forum (there are rules and I accept them, but I didn´t know that talk about that was banned there. He was offended, and I apologized for that), and now in this one. He also strikes me in this forum. It amuses me. You create the post, and Klaus attacks me.

Thanks again, Matt.

Here's a company in Arizona that promotes lipoma treatment with injection lipolysis (or Lipodissolve or Lipostabil, it has many names but it's basically just a compound made of phosphatidylcholine (PPC) and deoxycholate (DC)).

Treatment involves saturating the lipomas with PPC/DC compound with one injection. The amount used is determined by the size of the lipomas. After the injection, the lipoma swells significantly for a few days and then returns to it’s original size. Then, over a period of several weeks the lipoma gradually shrinks and its contents are metabolized by the body. After 8-12 weeks patients come in for re-evaluation. If indicated, the lipomas may be treated again at this time. The numbers of treatments vary from person to person but typically requires 1-2 treatments at 8-12 week intervals.

They even have a before-after pic available: The problem is that it works better on others than for some. And almost always multiple rounds of injections are needed. And the lipoma will recur so countinuous therapy cycles are most likely needed. But if I could afford it I would take it again.

I'm not too keen on PPC and DC, it is however a awesome alternative to surgery. Also, anyone doing this should ask the doctor if taking NAC is ok. NAC is a simple amino acid that binds to toxins stored in fat.

I found this Groupon deal - unfortunally it's old already - but it shows there's a clinic in Sydney also which provides LipoDissolve injections.

Just in case someone's in sydney or nearby and is considering to test out LipoDissolve injections.

The link to the old Groupon deal: http://news.groupon.com.au/c/r?ACTION=r ... =715827892

And the clinic is http://wsydneymedical.com

Hi all!

I'd like to ask to those who have tried the lipostabil, if it is true that lipomas become larger, the first few days after being given the product. And then return to normal size, and then they shrink?


I read in one of the last posts, but before you had never spoken of that effect.


The post said:Treatment involves saturating the lipomas with PPC/DC compound with one injection. The amount used is determined by the size of the lipomas. After the injection, the lipoma swells significantly for a few days and then returns to it’s original size. Then, over a period of several weeks the lipoma gradually shrinks and its contents are metabolized by the body. After 8-12 weeks patients come in for re-evaluation. If indicated, the lipomas may be treated again at this time. The numbers of treatments vary from person to person but typically requires 1-2 treatments at 8-12 week intervals.



With all the products based on lipodissolve, lipomas happen to get bigger the early days?